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stewie griffin 10:54 Fri Sep 15
Re: Stephen Fry on Kuntsberg

bit bored of you tbh, trying to have a conversation with Pickle - although your attempts at counting are sufficient to amuse.

but in the interests of being civil:
- you think Biden isn't failing, but you concede you think he is too old to run. To be clear, he can barely string a coherent sentence together...if that's good enough for you, fair enough, i can respect that...i just have slightly higher expectations for the leader of the free world

- Biden doesn't vex me in any way - he performs the same comic value that Trump did, just in different ways. I don't live there yet, so i don't have to pay 3 grand or whatever it is now to call an ambulance. As for jobs. the US will always have low unemployment - because they employ 5 people to do the work that one person in the UK does. In part because of the litigation culture so that everyone is terrified of making a decision, in part because they're clock watching 9-5 lazy cunts, and in part because everything requires a 'process' because people are too dense to think critically for themselves.

- his speech in vietnam wasn't fine. Not even close. That's why they stopped it.

- the political party you support doesn't promote the rights of citizens. That's the whole point. Whats your stance on immigration?

Hammer and Pickle 10:48 Fri Sep 15
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Ah so you are not, in fact part of the attempt by the GOP to tap into the general sense of malaise without actually doing anything practical to address its causes. You are not, in fact supporting the drive by the GOP to actually make it all very much worse by aggravating the divisions for short-term electoral gain? And you are really looking for policy to fix the actual issues, aren't you.

Jolly good, I'm so glad, there's a good fellow.

Capitol Man 10:42 Fri Sep 15
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And have away at typos and such. It's all you seem to have - it's not easy posting to any sort of length, on this site, in a tiny text box, on my phone, in the car.

Capitol Man 10:37 Fri Sep 15
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Let's go through this for you Stevie.

1) To be a hypocrite in the way I had accused thickii and others around Brexit would need me to think Biden is a failure, and blame others for that. which he isn't and I don't.

2) I said I supported the cause of equal justice for all - you then tried to make a point about the official organization of BLM. The point you made was shit from the start and got worse from there because you tried to tie me to some shit you'd read that you think discredits BLM.

3) I heard part of his speech in Vietnam, it was fine. I bet you didn't watch it live or all of it, especially given the time it was on. You've mugged yourself off in watching the YouTube or social media clips. Biden has always made gaffes. I do think he is too old to run. If the GOP was not running a man pushing 80 themselves it would be an issue.

If you take a critical look at his presidency a measure covid policy, the IRA, supporting NATO and Ukraine, forging international alliances, economic performance and jobs, I think he's done remarkably well - certainly not incompetent, especially given how he's vexing you, Putin, Xi.

4) His disapproval rating is about where all ratings are during recent presidencies.. Trump was in the 30s and low 40s through most of his I think. A lot of the disapproval comes from people who don't think he's left enough. When actual elections happen it's not going well for the GOP. a lot of people may not like Biden, but when confronted with the alternative being presented they are not keen on that either.

My Orwellian existence - I'm not sure you've ever actually read him, or at least understood him given your use here. My lies? Which lies exactly? You don't seem to have found any. I re-read it recently as one of my kids wanted to read it and I needed to confirm it wasn't really that suitable for a ten-year-old.

3) No, people were branded racist because of their racist comments and in relation to BLM there attempt to avoid the actual issue the protests were about. Billy Bullshit tried to say there was no racism involved in the Floyd killing basically because the cop wasn't muttering the n-word while he killed him. The others I brand as racist are the likes of BigFatFrank, Golden oldie. You seem to be sliding into that category with your desperate attempt to discredit BLM here - why do you care about it so much and what I posted on it a good few years ago. You seem to have taken it personally.

I think we're getting to the heart of your ire now aren't we. You want to tie me generically to the BLM and ironically tar me with their wrongs as a way of dismissing what is being said. I certainly don't think everyone is racist, but I think there are quite a few on this site.

So again - in simple form for you.

1) I'd need to believe Biden was failing for your first post to make a shred of sense. I don't and you've clearly seen me making that case clear on multiple occasions.

2) Your examples continue to be shit and say more about your laziness than Biden's performance. Trump made the same sort of fuckups before the first debate in 2020 and made a fool of himself in a similar way to you are doing here.

2) I said I support equal justice for all, making clear I was not necessarily supporting specifially BLM - but you, in some fumbling generic way tried to tie me to some stuff that you think discredits BLM.

3) Polls don't really mean anything at this stage. Certainly they don't reflect my opinion (see point 1).

4) Orwell - without a trace of irony you make a mess of quoting Orwell, while attempt to slag me off for supporting a political party that is standing for democracy and the individual rights of citizens.

YOU are the one that doesn't seem to think Ukraine is worth supporting against a fascist dictator looking to crush it's freedom, who has suppressed the flow of information and imprisons anyone in Russia who questions his government or even talks about "war".

You need to take a good fucking look in the mirror before trying to call me Orwellian.

stewie griffin 10:33 Fri Sep 15
Re: Stephen Fry on Kuntsberg

what would you like to discuss, Pickle son?

the standard of living in the US?
I think i'd characterise it differently to how you did, if that helps?

I suspect if you were to take a mean average, its about the same, its the disparity that's grown.

I also think, fwiw, that any conversations about 'America' are basically pointless - the differences from state to state are so vast, and so stark, even in terms of character and personality, that's its pretty much impossible to take a genuinely umbrella view of the whole place.

Hammer and Pickle 10:24 Fri Sep 15
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Can you sustain any kind of proper conversation, stewie son?

I mean, without making stupid personal insinuations about politicians you'd like us to dislike?

stewie griffin 10:19 Fri Sep 15
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Hammer and Pickle 10:16 Fri Sep 15
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indeed, pickle son. Pretty much since Obama appeared.

*sniggers*

stewie griffin 10:17 Fri Sep 15
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Capitol Man 9:50 Fri Sep 15
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stewie griffin 9:39 Fri Sep 15
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Again Stevie - when you asked me if I supported BLM and I responded that I supported the cause of people being treated equally by law enforcement and the law a tough one for you to understand.

no... the issue is that you haven't got a fucking clue what you're talking about. You've said about law enforcement in the above, so no need to bring that back ; but you've also posted this:
"You are conflating the operations of the group that formed after the start of the BLM protests with the issues behind the protests themselves"

and

"you're confused between the cause that started the BLM protests and the organization that emerged from it?"

so its pretty clear that you think BLM was formed AFTER protests, and notably protests into black people being killed by law enforcement.

In reality, it was formed in 2013 following the acquittal of George Zimmerman for the killing of Trayvon Martin in 2012.
Zimmerman wasn't in law enforcement, and there were no large scale protests.

So as i said, you haven't got a fucking clue what you're talking about. Like most of the extremists you associate with - devoid of any basic knowledge or facts; just weaponize everything , abuse everyone and shout louder until everyone accepts your 'truth'.

Hammer and Pickle 10:16 Fri Sep 15
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Anyway, seems what might be missing here is everything indicates that standards of living in the US are falling through the floor and have been since 2008. This really is the case and clearly the whole establishment is responsible so trying to lay blame at only one part of it is hardly going to get us anywhere, is it.

BRANDED 10:03 Fri Sep 15
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I would have thought the Ukraine war is absolute manna from heaven for Biden and the dems. Couldn't be a better Workd event outside a Taiwan war?

stewie griffin 10:00 Fri Sep 15
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1) & 2) there's no bias involved. Have you seen his speech in Vietnam? The one where they had to pull him off the stage? Its absolutely fucking insane that he is the leader of the free world.
To the point on 'it hasn't gone well' - his current approval rating is 40%, with a disapproval rating of 57%...and that's from CNN.
It is, frankly, a far more absurd claim that he's doing well, that would require far more significant back up to compel people to listen. It is, self evidently, not biased or prejudiced to think he's not doing well, since its an opinion shared by the majority - and the majority of his biggest cheerleading channel at that.

So we return again to your Orwellian nightmare existence. You lie, continually, and oblige everyone to participate in your lies. Anyone that doesn't, and deigns to offer any common sense to proceedings, is roundly abused.

3) you really aren't grasping it, are you? Almost every single person on here distinguished between the two successfully. You did not. There was a string of threads on here where posters pointed out the issues with the movement, and were branded racist by you & your ilk. 3 years later, you've woken up, and are now - condescendingly - trying to, i don't know, teach, maybe, something that everyone else learned 3 years ago. I'd say its weird, but its entirely in keeping with the above, re. 1984, and how people who occupy your extremist position behave on a daily basis, across a variety of topics.

stewie griffin 10:00 Fri Sep 15
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Capitol Man 9:50 Fri Sep 15
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stewie griffin 9:39 Fri Sep 15
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Again Stevie - when you asked me if I supported BLM and I responded that I supported the cause of people being treated equally by law enforcement and the law a tough one for you to understand.

Seriously - was it? Maybe I can help you with that point.

Capitol Man 9:47 Fri Sep 15
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stewie griffin 9:01 Fri Sep 15
Re: Stephen Fry on Kuntsberg

It's your arrogance and lack of self-awareness that leads you to dig these holes for yourself Stevie. I really don't give a fuck what you think of me btw. If someonelike you is a fan then I really would be talking shit.

1) That's based on your personal bias that "it hasn't gone well". Back to the point you should likely get out a little more and read a wider source of information. It was a shit point, badly made, with nothing to substantiate it.

2) You were unable to back that stance up with a single credible example, despite being asked multiple times.

3) I know it pre-dated Floyd, but if you'd paid a single bit of attention you'd have noticed that support of the "cause" did not necessarily make you a paid up member of the official organization. I never joined a protest, but those "supporting BLM" were mostly supporting the cause. It's not a hard concept to understand for anyone but you.

Did you not understand when I made the point about supporting equal justice for all before you went onto your little rant about what the org had and hadn't done.

We can come back to your arrogance again here. Your views seem to be based almost entirely on your biases and prejudices, and you seem to expect everyone to share them. If you believe it, then it must be true - and you don't seem to think you need to give examples.

There's been some simple questions asked of you, and you haven't provided a decent answer to any of them. Instead you've resorted to trying to call out punctuation and changing the subject and make it about me. You seem to think you're too good to reply to the actual point being made.

Pointing that out of course makes me the nasty individual.

stewie griffin 9:39 Fri Sep 15
Re: Stephen Fry on Kuntsberg

i'll admit, i'm a little disappointed at how long its taking to google himself out of his BLM fuck up - which he's doubled down on - but i'm sure the angry response will be along soon enough

Hammer and Pickle 9:18 Fri Sep 15
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*pursuing any serious political discourse, that is.

Hammer and Pickle 9:11 Fri Sep 15
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He makes a very valid point about being able to distinguish the personal issues from the broad cause, and focusing on that if you are interested in pursuing and serious political discourse. This applies at all levels and is especially relevant when we are all supposed to be supporters of the same cause i.e, West Ham United.

Capitol Man 9:07 Fri Sep 15
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Bozo running to help now.

I know what Master Griffin here is trying to do, he's just not very good at it.

He was the one who tried to make an issue of the autocorrect on my phone calling him Stevie.

He is the one that brought up Biden in one of the shittiest trolling attempts seen on here yet. If he was drinking he should just apologize and move on.

He's the one who can't come up with a single, non-shit example to back up a single thing he's said.

He's the one unable to parse the difference between the events and issues that started the BLM movement and an organization that was formed in the wake of the protests.

He's ripping the piss out of me by making a twat of himself is he?

FOMB - and you wonder why I cunt these twats off.

Mike Oxsaw 9:02 Fri Sep 15
Re: Stephen Fry on Kuntsberg

She can't stop using "Stevie" now because to do so would be a clear admission that she's made a mistake.

Fuck Yeah!

stewie griffin 9:01 Fri Sep 15
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try reading, you deeply unpleasant individual.

Its crystal clear to anyone with a reading age above 3 that Biden was mentioned as an example of something you've supported that hasn't gone very well, to highlight your lack of self awareness.

Ditto BLM. Your wriggling is quite something to behold. Not a single person on here celebrated what happened to George Floyd. Within a week, lots of people distinguished between the cause, and the movement. You didn't. You were wrong, and as is your wont, got angry and accused anyone with a functioning braincell who WAS able to distinguish between the two of being racist.
Now you're on here trying to claim that others are confused.

And on a point of order, BLM was established in 2013, several years before what happened to George Floyd. It is for this reason that many were able to distinguish between what happened to George Floyd, and the movement itself.

The fact that you're so arrogant that you think it 'emerged' from the George Floyd incident is probably why you keep digging.

Kaiser Zoso 8:58 Fri Sep 15
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You’re getting called out but you’re too fat and thick to realise the piss is being ripped. And calling someone Stevie amuses absolutely no one.

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